(why
no posting???), well, INDIA DOES NEED TO CHANGE ITS ATTITUDES. My
wife has been in rural Rajasthan for the last 3 weeks making a film on
her own. Two Indian friends have come from a different part of
Rajasthan to help with translation and organisation. So all three have
been in the hotel for 3 weeks (the only one in town), and the hotel
people have also been really nice and helpful all the time. It's my
wife's birthday today, and her friends asked the hotel owner if they
could have a little birthday party downstairs, and he said of course.
So my wife went and got 12 bottles of beer and went back to the hotel
and they started listening to music from her laptop. After a little
while, the police arrived saying there was a complaint about a white
woman on her own drinking beer with Indian men, and they made it stop
and forced her to go to her room. In no other proper democracy would it
be illegal to celebrate your birthday, in a private venue, with men of a
different colour. My wife was really unhappy when I spoke to her by
video earlier. The two Indian friends, one of whom we'd met last time
we were both in Rajasthan, and his cousin, are both really nice people.
They've been really helpful and she wouldn't be succeeding making this
film without them. The hotel people have all been really nice, as have
the locals she's met on the street when she's been out filming. But
someone from the beer and wine shop (where she's gone to get a beer or
two several nights after filming - called the police as he thought it
was wrong for a white woman to be drinking beer with Indian men. Maybe
he was just jealous that he hadn't been invited. But what right do the
police have to stop her doing this on private property? You have no
idea how weird all this sounds to Westerners. In a democracy, how can
the police stop you from having a private drink with your friends to
celebrate your birthday? It is attitudes like this that cause the
problems that are now coming to light in India. These little things
need to change. Jai Hind.
Sweetheart,
there is nothing private about a hotel. A hotel is a public property.
End of Story. In Ontario (if you call yourself a Brit and so called
Westerner you'd realize that Ontario is your mirror image), you can't
even carry your own drinks in your car even if the bottles are sealed -
coz your car in a public road is a public property and police has every
right to prosecute anybody if they deem fit. Oh yes! I am a Canadian and
an Indian. I proudly flaunt both tags because I follow laws of both the
lands. And you don't have to give the whole story of who's helping who
and why - that's of least interest as your wife was found with (sealed
or unsealed) drinks in a public place - India has same rules - old Brit
legacy rules have not been changed. When you say in no democracy you
should be prevented from celebrating your birthday - you are correct -
but the caveat - and this is valid in all democracies - your freedom to
do something is not at the cost of somebody else's freedom (to sleep, to
enjoy, to relax, to listen to waltz while your wife put up some moz). I
hope you understand without taking offence. That another Indian
character I am proud of - don't take offence on such small things. Life
is big. Bigger than the police and the beer. Enjoy and wish your wife a
big BD.
1)
A hotel is private property, it isn’t owned by the government. 2) I
don’t know about Canada, but you can drink in public in GB and Europe.
When the weather’s nice, you take a beer to the park or the beech. All
sports stadia sell drinks. On the trains there’s either a bar/food
carriage or a trolley comes round selling beer, wine and spirits. The
corner shops all sell alcohol and have the beer in the fridge and a
bottle opener on the counter so you can drink your beer cold on the
street. They changed the design of beer cans 30 years ago, so when you
opened your beer outside the shop, the ring pull didn’t get chucked on
the pavement. So in Europe you can drink on public property. But a
hotel is private – the owner doesn’t have to let you come in. So she
didn’t have drinks in a public place. When we were on a train from
Mumbai to Delhi 10 years ago., we were in 2nd class sleeper, and we got
on with half a bottle of wine and some food. We finished those and
then went to sleep on the top bunks. I was woken by my wife screaming,
being molested by both the men below who’d stood up on the lower bunks.
I jumped down and caught them red handed. I went and got the police
and they spoke to the men who were smiling sheepishly. The men told the
police about the wine bottle and they started telling us that you
couldn’t drink on trains. They didn’t care at all about the sxual
assault. This is sick. Any culture that thinks having half a glass of
wine is worse than sxual assault has problems. When I posted this on
here, there were about 6 or 8 replies. One guy said we shouldn’t be
travelling 2nd class sleeper (i.e that’s what happens, it’s normal).
The rest said that you can’t drink, including one person from Canada who
said that it was wrong for us to treat India like that as you can’t
drink on a train anywhere else in the world. Well they obviously
haven’t travelled because, as I say, you can buy alcohol on every train
in Europe. So please reply. Do you think it’s fine for the police to
just ignore 2 people who’d been caught sxually assaulting a lady? In
the UK they’d go to prison and be on the sxual offenders register for
life. Any policeman that didn’t act on it would go to prison. How can
you think it fine for the public and police to behave in this way? I
can’t believe people would say this. (And it’s not a GB legacy, btw,
the Brits used to drink beer for breakfast as the water was impure in
UK). In a democracy, where women make up half the voters, how does this
happen? Let me know what you think.
Chandra (India) replies to Rory 1 day ago
Give
us a break -
1) What type of husband (???) you are - your wife alone 6000 Kms away
from you - living in hotel with 2 stranger men - are you in scenes? Are
they really making movie? if yes - adult?
2) I think her whole dissapointmenet is due to police killing their plan
to have open sx party after driking beer - dancing - making noise etc
3) People like you come here with dirty spoiled culture and spoil air
here too
Rory replies to Chandra 1 day ago
You're
sick. 1) In the west, men and women are equal, a wife expects to be
treated with respect and to be able to make her own decisions. And how
do you imagine you make a documentary without translators if you don't
speak the language? 2) It's her birthday, you pervert. You have
obviously never been in a loving relationship, that's why you're sxually
frustrated and have no idea what a relationship or sx is about. 3)
And what is dirty and spoiled about trying to make a documentary about
an historic group in the country you love so you can show people in the
west their pride and dignity? and 4) This comment explains why India
has a problem which is not only making life hell for 50cr women but is
also making the country an international embarrassment. It's not my
wife or I that need to change, it's you. In a culture that isn't
sxually repressed, normal men and women are able to enjoy each others
company, to have a drink together, to celebrate each other's birthdays
without just thinking about sx. It's called friendship. But if you
don't have any female friends whose company you can enjoy then I pity
you. And if you do have any female friends, then I pity them, as
they're probably just trying to live a normal life and you're thinking
about having an open sx party. But let's get this straight. You think a
culture in which men and women can mix freely, interact as equals and
have long, non-sxual friendships is dirty and spoiled. But a culture in
which it took a brutal murder to get police to actually start dealing
with r@pe cases, and which allows idiots like you to post your
sxually-frustrated perverted filth is clean and pure? Thankfully many
comments here show that India wants to change for the better and your
views are on the wrong side of history. You're an embarrassment to your
country and an insult to 50cr women of India who have to spend much of
their lives dealing with your sort of low-level sxual abuse and much,
much worse.
Why
won't this post in the right place....... INDIA DOES NEED TO CHANGE
ITS ATTITUDES. My wife has been in rural Rajasthan for the last 3 weeks
making a film on her own. Two Indian friends have come from a
different part of Rajasthan to help with translation and organisation.
So all three have been in the hotel for 3 weeks (the only one in town),
and the hotel people have also been really nice and helpful all the
time. It's my wife's birthday today, and her friends asked the hotel
owner if they could have a little birthday party downstairs, and he said
of course. So my wife went and got 12 bottles of beer and went back to
the hotel and they started listening to music from her laptop. After a
little while, the police arrived saying there was a complaint about a
white woman on her own drinking beer with Indian men, and they made it
stop and forced her to go to her room. In no other proper democracy
would it be illegal to celebrate your birthday, in a private venue, with
men of a different colour. My wife was really unhappy when I spoke to
her by video earlier. The two Indian friends, one of whom we'd met last
time we were both in Rajasthan, and his cousin, are both really nice
people. They've been really helpful and she wouldn't be succeeding
making this film without them. The hotel people have all been really
nice, as have the locals she's met on the street when she's been out
filming. But someone from the beer and wine shop (where she's gone to
get a beer or two several nights after filming - called the police as he
thought it was wrong for a white woman to be drinking beer with Indian
men. Maybe he was just jealous that he hadn't been invited. But what
right do the police have to stop her doing this on private property?
You have no idea how weird all this sounds to Westerners. In a
democracy, how can the police stop you from having a private drink with
your friends to celebrate your birthday? It is attitudes like this that
cause the problems that are now coming to light in India. Jai Hind.
Kaustuv (Mumbai) replies to Rory 17 hrs ago
And
now you are welcoming the few absurd sections of law(Like: marital r@pe
& stalking) so that police can extract money by practicing
corruptions.... In your country every law is gender neutral & abuse
of law is strictly punished.... Police of your country is trusted in
your judicial system....But our police is so much corrupted the even
entertain abuse the law..... :)
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